I WONDER WHY , FIRSTLY PICTURES ARE NOT PRIVATE, THEY ARE IN THE PUBLIC ARENA, WHICH YOUR MEMBERS PUT THERE, SECONDLY... I AM WATCHING
Unfortunately there are some total morons out there that will try and bully members into not getting involved with this march. We are allowed to have our opinion thank you and it will be heard!!!! The bullying and nastiness is causing some members distress and this is NOT acceptable. Any person found to be using our members private pictures will be facing a law suit, I can assure you, or perhaps trolls and harassers we could use the pictures we have of yours and name and shame you for the filth you really are......If any of our members are sent vicious, messages from anyone please forward these onto any one of the admin. The police have been informed of the current offenders harassing and stalking our members and they will be dealt with. Stalkers and harassers you know who you are, and so do we!! Crawl back under your bridges!!!
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Oh dear they are getting rattled. They complain the McCanns use the law too silence critics and then threaten to do the same What hypocrites they are
If the pictures are on the Internet then it is your own faults if they are copied. As for law enforcement acting on it; be careful they don't look at you all first. You have at least two convicted pedophiles in your midst.
@ tony 12:59 you sound like you have been brainwashed for goodness sake you deflect blame from this blogger onto those that have pics in their profiles DUH ! Did the McCann's teach you such deflection methods ?
Aimed at blogger ! Please show your name and face rather than troll face book users anonymously. What you are doing here serves no purpose other than discrediting those that may actually support the McCann family as indeed I do.
Thanks Ian :O) keep it going all you are doing is getting us noticed ;O) keep up the good work!
People shouldn't take pics they could have pics of their children loved ones in there. Sickos
@Anonymouse on 20 November 2013 14:39 did you actually read what you wrote. Anyone who puts personal pictures on an open Internet site is asking for trouble.
You say I'm brainwashed, I'm not the one who has been talked into marching against an innocent family. I'm not the one denying them their Human Rights. I'm not the one playing the Salem sheriff and I'm not the one who thinks I'm above the law.
You and your kind are nothing more than a lynch mob out to terrorize and, I reiterate, an innocent family with little children. Shame on you, shame on you all.
Mc scams
must be getting frightened....
THE CLOCKS TICKING....GOD WILL JUDGE YOU AND SEND YOU TO HELL !!!!!!
Comment on the post from Anonymous at 18.24...
Pure, nasty hatred there in its most naked form. And they complain when they are called pitchforkers.
Lawsuit? PMSL! Has Gemma been taking legal advice from Tony Bennett?
She clearly hasn't bothered to read the disclaimer on Facebook about all photos uploaded to the site.
Ok if the pics r not private u can put them up then y r the mccanns fighting every 1 that put picks of the twins up they r more public then these kids on hear sorry u the sick troll i dont give shit about weather mccanns did or dident surely finding maddie is what every one wants and puting kids up that have nothing to do with it is out of order go ahead name and shame but not profile pic of kids sick sick sick
All you vile working class baffoons that insist on harassing the innocent family of an abducted child should start spending your tax credits and income support on a little education rather than cheap fags and lager whilst feeding your breed cheap fish fingers and frozen chips. The McCann family remain dignified throughout your constant hate campaign or should I say jealousy campaign because that's what its really about isn't it, riff raff like you lot aspire to be respectable s like the McCann family but know it is far from your greasy grasps.
I agree anon 13.02 this lot cost the taxpayer a fortune every day in methadone prescriptions alone. Get to work you work shy bunch of lowlife benefit scroungers. And perhaps a few of the more vocal cows should find out who fathered their children before worrying about someone else's.
some of these links lead to pictures of children!! How is that allowed, surely this is a police matter??
how are you allowed to post private pictures of individuals? This is not facebook so same rules DO NOT apply. This blog needs reporting as innocent people'd private lives are being aired by someone who has no rights whatsoever. As for them being 'copyrighted' by him!! Err, hello they are not YOUR property!
No one has posted private pictures of anyone. Pictures on Facebook groups are public, and it is not illegal to copy them or any information. These pictures have been put up in public by the owners, if they had been stolen from a protected site it would be different. But once placed by owner onto Facebook they have agreed for them to be used publicly.
What's more worrying is the people putting up pictures of their children and then joining Facebook groups where members openly discuss ways children can be abused.
And if they go on this march ( doubtful it will be given permission) every single one if them will be photographed by media, and have stories about them in the media. And that will include Facebook pictures, quotes from neighbours, employers etc.
And newspapers are normally not allowed to take photos of children unless face is blurred out, why would the twins be different. The McCann's do not post pictures of the twins on public groups.
Mickey,
If the links to pictures of children its because the parents have given permission by posting them on Facebook. Read the terms and conditions of Facebook and apps there. Everything posted belongs to them.
Anonymous....what about if the facebook member's pictures are set to private then? How can they be used, one link is to children!! That is unacceptable. You forget to mention also that the blogger has stated the pictures are his copyright! How can that be??
also the pics are not from a Facebook 'group' they are individual pictures within the FB members albums, not their Profile Pics, so unless the blogger is friends with all the people mentioned (which is very doubtful), how can they access their pics - unless they have been hacked maybe??
Tony....what do you mean by 2 convicted paedophiles in our midst - please elaborate???
Mickey,
I don't think you get how Facebook works. Its incredibly open, and anyone in groups can see other members pictures private settings or not. Its nothing to do with hacking.
The blog posts are copyright, not the pictures.
It's your facebook you route them out.
But,do you know the old saying, lie-down with dogs,get up with fleas. Or how about the one you Brits use, you are judged by the company you keep. Tarred with the same brush, etc, etc, etc.
Isn't that Gemma Tupper actually a nanny in fareham or something? Or is that a different Gemma?
Anon 21 November 2013 17:26
I hope for her sake, the answer is no.
Tony....if you are going to spout random rubbish then surely you need proof that the 'lynch mob' are actually doing what you say...where does it say that they are out to get an innocent family?? it is a peaceful march for Madeleine and nothing else, how are we doing anything wrong? Freedom of speech!
Tony. Sure its the same women, her photo or one very similar is up on a mobile creche site. Mary pop-ins.
Mickey,
According to the marchers you can do and say what you want about someone and they have to prove their innocence? Its a march intended to spread lies about a family, about the police investigation, with the hope it will convince others of the same lies and force the police not to look for an abductor, but to blame the parents not because of evidence but because that's what the myth marchers desire.
Mickey,
According to the marchers you can do and say what you want about someone and they have to prove their innocence? Its a march intended to spread lies about a family, about the police investigation, with the hope it will convince others of the same lies and force the police not to look for an abductor, but to blame the parents not because of evidence but because that's what the myth marchers desire.
why do you hide behind anon?? Why are u soo sure you know what the march is all about? There is NO abductor!! Why cant others see that?? They are the ones being brainwashed....its black and white. Incidentally, if the 'parents' hadn't left MM alone we wouldn't even be discussing this! So, whose to blame then???
Mickey I am starting to believe you are really stupid. Madeleine isn't your child. Madeleine has a family of her own who are doing everything humanly possible to find her. Your Lynch mob is going to march against the family, Madeleine's family.
If you had the slightest respect for your law enforcement you would allow them to do their job.
However, as has been proven,you have no respect for your LE or the laws of your land, which makes you all a rabble rousing lynch mob.
Mickey,
The police have been able to rule the parents out. The police have all the evidence and they, as is standard, have not dished it out to the public mid investigation. Therefore you either are hiding information from the police, or you are basing your claims on the partial information on the internet and the many myths spread about on hate sites. To claim you know more than the police about a missing child is just odd.
Mickey,
You say that whatever happened to Madeleine happened because she was left alone I.e whatever happened happened after eight thirty on the third of may. Her parents have alibis for all but five minutes each that night. It would be impossible to find someone dead, hide the, clear up, make a plan, and get everyone else in on it in five minutes.
Therefore that leaves abduction, and only the abductor knows if they would have not abducted madeleleine if plans had been different.
Anon, 21 November 2013 17:48
You are correct, it is indeed her.
Is this her, http://marypop-insmobilecreche.yolasite.com/meet-the-team.php
Is this her, http://marypop-insmobilecreche.yolasite.com/meet-the-team.php
Anon 21 November 2013 18:13
It is her, no doubt about it. Tooth defect identical.
Sorry just saw your reply tony.
I don't get why these people object to this, they have made all the information here public themselves, the march is supposed to be public, were they intending to turn up in masks?
Anon, It is a bit worrying to think she is looking after children when at the drop of a cap she is prepared to join a lynch mob and break the law.
your missing the point, if the so called 'parents' hadnt left her alone then this would not of happened! and you call me stupid lol, you really are sooo very niaive now crawl back under your bridge Mr Troll, your'e boring the hell out of me now
Why is it someone with the name Bennett always calls others naive and then the Bennett named finishes up in court?
Mickey,
Trolling is a fishing term, so the term troll cones from that not the Nordic myth.
And only the abductor knows if they would not have taken her at some other time if parents made different plans. The previous attacks on children in the area occurred whilst parents slept. And what does them being out mean its OK to march on her patents. Madeleine has Scotland yard and the PJ looking for her thanks to pressure from the McCann's. March for the missing no one is looking for if you care do much for justice.
beats me why you are still banging on about an abductor lol! And Tony...what about the Bennett name??? and it was 'pressure' from the McCanns that got the case re-opened?? hahaahah, im pmsl here !
Aw bless mickey has wet himself.
We are still 'banging on about an abductor' because that's what happened. That's what the police forces of two countries think. Why do you people think you know better?
I feel almost sorry for you, because we have sat and watched while you were sucked in with conspiraloon nonsense and lies, fooled by dud cops with torture and perjury convictions. Try reading some truth and DONT believe HiDoHo's videos - they are simply mawkish rubbish. You could start here http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39076140/Main%20Page
Hello everyone yes that is me (gemma) I fail to see what business my private life is of yours. No one is turning up in masks for god sake how ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!! There are lots of people that want to know answers to many questions I dont know why u have such a problem with it!! You shove your opinion down our throats constantly so why cant we be heard?? For the record if I am a nanny why the hell would it stop me taking part in a peaceful process?? It seems to me its not just all the info on the case you have not read but all the info on our march too!!!!!
No, thats what you have been brainwashed to believe.... and I feel sorry for you that you have been fooled, I am looking forward to sayig 'I told you so'.....
The McCann's launched a petition which garbed tens of thousands of real signatures within hours, they published an open letter to the prime minister, they campaigned for a meeting with the home secretary and when successful asked her, they did media interviews asking for case to be investigated, they raised money for a fund which paid for private investigators which if they found new evidence would have led to the reopening of the case in Portugal. Not one anti did anything to help. All they did was launch a petition for the review to be closed.
And I fail to see why a child being abducted is something to laugh out loud about. Its evil, not funny.
There is no evidence against the parents, both Portuguese and UK police have ruled them out. They have the evidence, you don't you have just seen random rubbish on the internet and decided it must be true. Organizing a march because you want people to think an abductor did not exist is just evil. The best chance Madeleine has, is if her abductor us identified, and you want to scupper that for some reason. What if, just what if, she is alive? Do you think your march will help a living madeleine be rescued?
Mickey,
You do realize that in order for you to be right, madeleine has to be dead?
You do realize that if you are right the pros will be seen as victims, whereas the antis will be seen as vigilantes that destroyed any chance of a trial by destroying any chance of a fair trial? You will be hated whatever the outcome.
But as police have ruled parents out, you are not going to get the chance to say I told you so.
And if you really cared about Madeleine you would be looking forward to being proven wrong and for madeleine to be found alive, not looking forward to Madeleine being found dead just to prove you right.
GOOD LUCK WITH THAT THEN, PAL !!!
Gemma,
No private information about you has been posted. The fact you are a nanny running a mobile creche service in Fareham and are planning a march that is going to be spreading lies (the info on your Facebook group is lies) and causing distress to victims of crime(and that includes children as this will hurt the twins too) is information you yourself have put out on public display.
The chances are that if you go on this march it will all be in the media anyway, just as those who partook in the leaflet drop got in the media.
Yesthatsmegemma.
I wonder how many people would want their children looked after by a vigilante lynch mob member? Especially one who doesn't give a damn for the pain caused to Madeleine's siblings, parents and grandparents by your actions.
I don't believe many will want you near their children.
Tony, a lynch mob we are not. Gemma.
I have looked at this group, and have looked at others. I am neither for or against. Just interested in what is a high profile case. What you are doing in persecuting this girl for standing up for what she believes in is totally disgusting. Yes her information is in the public domain, but by you writing about her, and lying about her, you leave her open to all sorts of trouble. What worries me most is that you know this, and that's why you do it. You say you back the McCann's yet all I see is a faceless coward who wants to cause the intimidation of others. I have never met Gemma, but from what I have read she is nothing more than a kind person who wishes to find out the truth. If you really cared for the McCann cause you would not write such poison about others. Are you aware that pro McCann supporters are disgusted by your actions. You are actually causing people to stop backing the McCann camp due to your evil tormenting of another human being. Prove to everyone you're not a foul excuse for a human being, as most see you now, and leave people to make up their own minds
The Facebook groups involved in this march have written lie upon lie about this case. There have been threats made, unsavory posts about child abuse, wild theories thrown around. Now they want to march, and on the village the McCann's live in and where their children go to school, and spread these lies. They have admitted they want to make people aware of the things they claim as fact, but which are lies. They admit they want the police to treat these lies as fact, and they admit they want people to think the parents are not involved. Its illegal as well as amoral. And the greatest harm will be caused to the children.
As for Gemma she put her every single detail mentioned about her up on the internet for people to see.
Well said other pro mccanns including myself are not all like this evil man i dont agree with the march dont c what it will change but it is freedom of speach as said the parents have been throw alot and dont need the upset but there is realy nothing no1 can do to stop ppl having there own views on it if we all thaught the same we may as well b robots which we r not. As 4 police i hope they no what they are doing they realy should answer ppl questions then we wouldent have all this
Hi, I believe kate and gerry too but don't like to be associated with this type of bullying. It is blogs like this that make them both look bad to a lot of people
Freedom of speech does not cover libel, harassment, trying to pervert the course of justice, incitement etc so there is no right to march. Public opinion is not allowed to influence police investigations. The end result would be illegal.
I don't see this site as being bullying, as long as there are no threats or lies. The information is publicly available, and has been made available by the subjects themselves. Anyone can see the Facebook groups and posts by members as well as member profiles.
Anon - you are completely incorrect. Any pictures a person uploads to facebook are indeed owned by facebook, unless the said person has signed a disclaimer. It is illegal for any person to post or share someones pictures unless you are using the share facility on facebook.
ps you are a dickhead
You keep mentioning 'lies' - are you saying the pj files are lies?? are you saying the statements given by the tapas 7 are lies?? are you saying the whole pj documents are lies?? Where do you get your scripted personal derogatry lines from?? Is there a point of reference for all you anon trolls - vile, evil, speaking down to people, assuming everyone is of a lower class than the very sensible doctors
Dear Anon
Is it not true, that the efit released on Crimewatch was made by the Maccans own private investigator paid for by the limited company, yet the investigators were issued with a gagging order not to release the efit???????? why did they choose to wait 5 years before releasing to the public????????? Sueing GA because they claim his book(which on FACTS) hinders the search for the daughter...pot kettle black .. so no more...
The Facebook groups ate not based upon the PJ files despite their claims, there are lies a about fridges, the DNA tests, volcanoes, curtains, criminal records etc.
The McCann's did not issue a gagging order. Exton, actually said that he had received a letter which contained a reminder of the confidentiality clause in the contract and that this was the reason he did not hand over the e-fit to the police until the fund asked him to in writing. A confidentiality clause is standard in contracts, and when a contract is terminated it is standard for the termination letter to remind you of the confidentiality clauses. What is more confidentiality clause do not, and cannot, stop material being given to police and neither do gagging clauses so there was nothing stopping exton giving them to the police. The McCann's did not have the e-fits. Oakley were the company that halligan was involved with and they claimed halligan never paid them,and there was a disagreement with the fund about payment. So the fund was never in possession of the e-fits, but the edits were according to media reports given to the Portuguese police in 2008, and to the UK police when they started the review a few years ago. And exton said the funds solicitors not the McCann's solicitors, and the funds solicitors would have dealt with drawing up contracts etc. It was not a legal threat.
And amarels book is not based on facts, its full of easily proven lies.
But your posts show how these groups are full of lies and how the march is being based on them in order to cause distress to the McCann family. Your post also shows that this is a class envy issue, as you seem to have an issue with the fact the McCann's are doctors.
And since you mentioned the fund is a limited company, it was either this or the McCann's personal account. It could not be a charity as it is intended for a specific person, therefore it cannot meet the public benefit requirement required by charity law.
It is not illegal to post pictures from Facebook in this manner. There may be a civil copyright issue, but that would be with Facebook not the people in the picture. The subjects put their picture and information up on the internet, so its not illegal to share it. Facebook may have a copyright case, but that's all. However, the pictures posted are all viewable with names via google anyway, so there is no more information here than available on google so Facebook would not have a case.
And the media Will say worse, when there was a leaflet drop they ended up on the front page of on paper being called stalkers, another had a main story devoted to her calling her a Maddie sicko. What do the marchers will say about them ?
Sorry i believe the mccanns 100% if they was wrong y keep it in the public eye but as for trolls the person that set this up is one of the worst and 4 ppl to make coments like the trolls r all dole dossers is a bit low it like saying all them that suport the mccanns r high payed ppl and im sure they r not im not defending the anti mccanns but 4 wat i have read hear im ashamed of the pro mccanns on how they have spoken to ppl
Such a pity Gemma's group doesn't practice what they preach. Frances/Blondie, threatened to take me out. Paul Rees stalked a guy who shares the same name as I and threatened all kinds of harm.
As you sow so shall you reap.
Why did they do this,well because I have respect for UK' judicial system. UK has the same law as my country.
A person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a Jury of their peers.
They are not guilty because a lynch mob said so.
You are wrong regarding you breaking the law, I am not going to explain by, but you have broken at least 3 Laws on this blog. You need to do your own research as to what you can and cannot take from facbook and publish here. Stop trying to convince yourself that you are acting legally.
I do not have an issue with class as you put it, merely mentioning a profession does not constitute this. Class is not determined by profession. You have an issue with class as you have clearly stated and clearly wrote that people that question this case, are in someway banal for not agreeing with your opinion. Wow, am kind of gobsmackd that you say the whole of the PJ files, are lies, so I can take from that, that you are saying the statements provided by the tapas 7 are lies - very interesting thank you.
Once last comment, I have read a blog this morning regardng yourself. Is it true that you were once in the police force but thrown out??? Please could you clarify, just incase someone should take your views with come credability, and people can then judge your integrity......
When conversing with me, please do not use your phrase book.
Thanks you
Also please clarify in simple terms, did or did the Mccanns know that their private investigators had put together an efit 5 years ago???
Any excuses as to why the efits where not put out for the publish to try and help find these people are just that excuses........
Many appeals are not set up as limited companies - just because they cannot register as a charity this is not the only alternative is poppycock !!!
It is a phallacy that any picture uploaded uploaded onto the internet then enters the public domain. Do not believe this. This is not true. Normal people do not need to copyright their pictures, that a device to purely make money - normal people would have no reason to copyright pictures - only people that want to make money use copyright......................, and you cannot copy right someone elses image - your claim that you have copyright over this blog is laughable - no wonder you was a bad cop - research the law,you baffoon
Anon 12:26..... here here!!
Lynch mob said guilty at hillsbough look wat happend there
Hillsborough?? What has football got to do with anything?? The police were wholly to blame for that sad disaster that could have been prevented
Mickey take no notice of the morons Hillsborough comment. Clear trolling tactics. Indeed a terrible preventable disaster. Bet little anon is sitting there, playing with himself getting off on his vile troll antics....
Also I bet the writer of this blog has a little peak cap, he puts on, when he is in his troll mode. reminding him his days when he had some authority in the force, before shall we say he was askd to leave....lol jokers
or maybe anon, is saying, the lynch mob were right??? could be taken either way ....
Sorry, but once an image is uploaded to a publicly viewable site it is not illegal to reproduce it for non commercial gain. At most face book could have a civil, not a criminal, case for copyright.but if people take the time to read the terms and conditions of face book they will realize they do not have a right to stop the photos they have agreed to upload from being reproduced. Newspapers regularly reprint Facebook photos.
The information displayed here is in the public domain and can be found via a simple Google search, so there is no case against this blog.
As for the McCann case. The PJ files ate just information collected by the police, some of it can be proven to be true other pieces not. For instance a woman described seeing a man she believed to be Gerry McCann, but described him as being fair haired and shirt, whereas Gerry McCann is dark haired and fairly tall. One member of the smith family said he did not see a mans face and could not recognize him, but later said by the way he carried the child alone, he thought there was a 60% - 80% chance it could have been Gerry McCann, however those of the smiths who saw the mans face disagreed with him and said it was not Gerry McCann, and staff at the ocean club say they saw Gerry there at the time. So each piece must be evaluated. But there is nothing incriminating in the PJ files against the McCanns, the final report actually said this and pointed out it would not be possible for the McCann's to have hidden a body.
The two things the antis cling too, in their feverish hope Madeleine is dead, are the dogs and the DNA, but there are issues with this. First, these two things cannot work together as evidence madeleine is dead. If the dog is taken as being always right then and the DNA is taken as being from the dead body of Madeleine, then the dog would have had to have alerted to the spot where the DNA was found, but it did not so either the dog was wrong and/or the DNA is not from a body. Then there is the fact that whilst 15 markers compatible with madeleine's 19 markers were found, these exact same 15 are found in the DNA of all McCann's, and as the 15 were found in a sample of 37 markers which came from three to five people it is not known how many people those 15 markers came from. Given the McCann's used the car, and have the 15 markers identified there us no reason it cannot have come from them. The forensic report stated it could not be identified as madeleine's DNA, and they could not say what the sample came from. So there us nothing incriminating there, all that can be said is 15 markers shared by Gerry and Kate McCann as well as their children was found in a car they used and the dog did not alert to it. All he alerted to was Gerry McCann's DNA on the fob and the door the fob was placed in.
As for the dogs, first the handler says the alerts are just guides and must be backed up by evidence. Nothing was found at the alert sites to back them up. Cadaver dogs are just a guider, and they can be wrong. Dogs have alerted in cases where the missing person has later turned up alive, and they have alerted at sites that have been claimed to be grave sites by a man confessing to murders which later turned out to be fantasy. So they cannot be taken as proof.
And the e-fits, yes the McCann's knew about them, and they were given to police years ago. But due to a payment dispute Oakley owned the e-fits not the McCann's and not the fund, so they could not release them publicly.
And millons were donated to the mccanns within days. It could either stay in their personal account or become a company. The bank won't just set up an account for a search fund, it takes a huge amount of paperwork. A limited company is the best way to handle the money, it keeps it safe. If it was not kept in that way, it could be taken if the McCann's were sued, owed money etc as it would be considered theirs.
You are clearly reading the laws in naive way to justify what you have done. You really need to seek legal advice if you are unclear as to how you have broken the law. I will not guide you in this any further.
Of course I understand that the PJ Files are not tablets of stone !! For god sake who do you think you are dealing with here, please do not insult my intelligence.
I understand how and why limited companies are set up. And as I stated earlier there are other alternatives, I find it interesting however the reason in this case is to protect against any future lawsuits...why on earth would that be a prerogative for the Mccanns??
Ok, you say that the Mccanns were aware of the efits 5 yrs ago, yet a quibble over money stopped them obtaining and releasing the images. this is almost too much for me to comprehend in all honestly, especially in view of them taking lawsuits out against other individuals, GA being one. I just find this incredible...... and could speak volumes to the masses.
Your ramble regard genetics is not really 100% correct. Study this further also.
I would at this point like the make it clear, that I am neither pro or anti Mccann, as you like to label people. Madeliene being found safe and well is my most deepest wish. I am trying to understand both sides to this affair. But when I ask questions or for further explainations I am bombarded with personal abuse, and the use of standard phrases that I am seeing all over social media network sites.
oooh one last point, I noticed you missed answering my question... was you asked to leave the police force under a black cloud????
Anonymous 22 November 2013 15:14
And your name is anonymous.
Yeah, that'll make a big impression...
What I have said about genetics is correct. Every single marker found in a person is also found in the DNA of the parents. Therefore when the forensic science service examined a sample consisting of 37 markers from three to five people and found 15 markers were found in the DNA of Madeleine McCann it was meaningless as they could not say how many people contributed to the pool of 15 markers, and all 15 were found in the DNA of Kate and Gerry McCann. It would be the same if markers matching all 19 of madeleines markets had been found in these circumstances. It would only mean something if it could be proven that the markets came from one person, but in this case they could be from up to five people.
I don't know if that's why a company was set up, but if they had kept the money it could be taken if they got behind with loans for instance, would be taxed at top threshold etc. Only a fool would have kept it in a personal account, and there are no other options but a not for profit company. This also ensures the accounts are regularly examined by public bodies.
Posting facts about the law is not illegal, so have no idea why you think I need to know how I have broken the law. As for the posting of pictures that are on Facebook and the net, that is not illegal as this is not a commercial site, and the pictures are just straight information that the subject has put in the public domain. Gemma for instance has shown her picture and details on a public group and on her company's public website, that was her choice. No crime has been committed here. And if these people choose to go on this march they will find the media will do far worse.
It was hardly a quibble. Kevin halligan took hundreds of thousands from the fund to pay Oakley, and Oakley claim he kept it. Therefore Oakley kept the e-fits, the McCann's had no right to them. Why do you think the fund had to ask Oakley to hand them over, if the fund had them they could have given them to the police themselves. But even so the police have had them since 2008 in portugal and 2011 in the UK. If the police decided it would be better not to release the images until now, who is anyone else to tell them their job?
And as I have never worked for the police I have never left under a cloud, although after handing in a wallet I found to my local station it did drizzle a bit as I left. Does that count?
One thing i would like to ask, is if the group these people are in has two convicted paedophiles in it, why not name and shame those scum, instead of chasing decent people with good intentions. You seem to be an intelligent person, with perhaps children of your own, would your resources not be better channelled, into outing TRULY evil people?
If they have convictions they are outed.
And these people do not have good intentions, this march is not a good thing, its aim is to cause pain an suffering to the family of a missing child on the anniversary of her abduction. Other people will offer prayers, light candles, but these group want to march and spread the lies on their Facebook page even further hoping to make people believe the parents are involved. That is twisted, no decent good intentioned person would do that.
N.b this is just my opinion, not that of blog owner.
With respect to your last comment and slighty moving away from the subject of what is said on the group (I am not a member of it, so I do not know) Paedophiles walk amongst us every day. I find paedophilia the most disgusting of all crimes, and clearly 650 plus people on that group are unaware of who they are, so so are many others. They could be a danger to some of these peoples children, surely no matter how strongly you feel about the group, you wouldn't wish them to go unnoticed
Wow and this is all true is it? Coments like this is libel nasty and troll like
She may look after kids but she is not leaving them unattended while she dose her own thing
I would think she dont leave them on there own. And just cos she looks after kids dosent say she carnt have her own view on things . As 4 the twins if mccanns thaught anything of them they would not have mention them from day one it is simple to say "i dont want them in public eye we not talking about them "but they dont the twins r in public eye as much as the parents and y not cos of trolls cos of there parents
If is was not 4 the public not giving up on hillborough the police would have coverd it all up and put blame on some one else not saying this is the case hear but we all no what police are like over hear jill dando was another blame some1 else. I have no faith in police
I agree hillsborough was the biggest cover up in my time and if it was not for ppl saying there to meny qustions that need answers they would not have got this far. If it was not 4 wat u call"a lynch mob"it would be the fans falt it all happend i have no trust in r police ether
Anon 20:05
Its very clear on these groups who has Paedophilic tendencies, they are not shy about describing how they imagine it might occur whilst making poor attempts at mock outrage, calling Madeleine Lolita/sexually provocative, posting links to vile sites, in the name of research of course, etc its obvious that you should not join groups and conversations with people like that and even more obvious that you should not give them access to your children's photos. I suspect that many people claiming to be mums on there are not given the way some of them join in these conversations. One individual on one hate forum claimed it was wrong that "innocent paedophiles" were always blamed, another anti McCann (not on facebook) posted an image of a dead child, who would do that? Who would search out an image like that and then think it was funny?
These groups are then full of lies about the case and claim these are from the files when they are not. Then then say they want to march to make the police treat these lies they peddle as evidence. That's not the same as having an opinion.
And to the other anon, yes Gemma is entitled to her opinion, just as everyone else is entitled to have an opinion about her, but no one is allowed to libel, and pressure a police investigation to treat lies as evidence which will in the end help an abductor get away and keep a child missing.
I read the "innocent paedophiles comment" it was not in the march for Madeleine event, nor the justice for Madeleine group, and was in reference to innocent of any wrong doing to Madeleine McCann. Of course they are not innocent speaking generally, otherwise they would not be known paedophiles, so please don't try to smear that fact. Madeleine has never been called Lolita or discussed as sexually provocative on the march group. You say no one is allowed to libel, yet this whole blog kicked off by Muratfan (such a pleasant individual) stating that the people pictured were planning a march in the home village of the McCann's. This statement was an utter lie, the idea had been suggested by a member, and was immediately ruled out by the admin. That has never been a possibility, and never would be. You talk of the desire from us to pressure a police investigation, by that do you mean in the same way the Portuguese investigation faced terminal pressure to be closed down halfway through? What the group would like is for the McCann's and every other witness, to give evidence and be asked to explain why they have changed statements, why certain witnesses lied, why the evidence of Cadaver dogs was brushed aside, and indeed laughed of by Gerry McCann. Why Kate McCann refused to answer 48 questions geared to help find her missing daughter. If these questions had been answered, if statements hadn't been changed, if the entire case had not been hidden behind nameless faces pulling strings for the McCann's, and don't even try saying that isn't the case. The whole fiasco would not stink so badly that even a dog with no nose could smell a rat. You know all this yourselves, just as you know there is not a single shred of evidence to support an abduction. Now you can bang on about, well there was no evidence that Kate and Gerry were involved. Well no, there wouldn't be that's what happens when you are allowed to dodge questions, fine tune statements, and raise enough money through public donations that will buy expensive lawyers to silence anyone who challenges you. So don't come the big "look at me on my moral high ground" and tell us that we can't participate in a legal, peaceful march through London, and perhaps try to avoid name calling, and character deformation, through lies and deceit. We will march, and we will see this through. Thanks for making us more determined than ever. You are an inspiration to us all. Ben Thompson
Ben Thompson you need to do your research chum. A fat taxi driving troll calling himself 'Lord Miles Spencer' from Southampton has been all over the FB groups telling the morons that there are TWO marches, yours and another one to Rothley. And making it sound as if they are linked. So I suggest you have a word with him, boyo. The simple facts of this case are that there has never been any CREDIBLE evidence to link the Mccanns with the disappearance of their daughter and the police forces of two countries agree.
If you think you know better, and if you think you can control the undoubted trolls, wierdos and shite stirrers your march will attract then go ahead, knock yourself out. The last guy who tried public demos against the Mccanns ended up a fkn laughing stock and having to make an undertaking to the High Court
BTW Ben, no statements have been 'changed'. You get yourself in a terrible lather about sweet fuck all. Let's take as a ferinstance the idea Gerry changed which door he said he used - I take it because you are a newcomer to this case you simply don't know that in the first few weeks there was massive confusion about which was the 'front' and which was the 'back' door. Even the PJ got confused, and so did the translators at the time.
Of course you have come in to this case 6 years too late, got swallowed whole by the myth makers, and spat back out again, to wander the streets confused and angry.
YOU HAVE BEEN HAD!!!
''Organizing a march because you want people to think an abductor did not exist is just evil.''
Indeed it is. I also think it is on very shaky ground legally, but I'm sure SY will be watching very carefully. At least we all know who these awful people are,and can avoid them like the bloody plague.
Changed which door he used, changed the fact of a break in, remind me again was the apartment left locked or unlocked, and what was that smell in the boot, a sea bass? No wait, leaky shopping? er hang on shergar and lord lucans dirty laundry. I've been had? I've offered you the chance to meet up and hit me with your fairy tale beliefs. I'm a newcomer am I? Seems I know more about you than you of me. The only sweet fuck all round here is you. Do you find it odd that none of your buddies back you up on here? Your amazing earth shattering exclusive revelation blog, ooooo Ben Thompson said this, how stupid do you think I am. How many years you been a full time pest for? You'd think you'd have progressed from slightly bothersome, to at least mildly irritating by now. oooooo big bad muratfan
First of all the innocent paedophile was not used in that context, the person said they were fed up with innocent paedophiles always having the finger pointed at them, then it was claimed they meant innocent in that they had not committed any crime. They did not mean Madeleine specifically.
Madeleine has been called a Lolita and sexually provocative by several antis who are members of the march and other Facebook groups.
Posters on these groups have admitted they want to target the village where madeleines siblings live with their parents.
No evidence of pressure to close the Portuguese investigation has ever come to light.
As for your claims about what you think you have the right to know. Quite simply this is an ongoing investigation and you do not have the right to demand police tell you what evidence they have, who they have spoken to. If it goes to trial you get to find out then. But you have no right to demand answers to anything to do with this case at the current time.
But for the record, you have no idea if the tapas nine have been reinterviewed or not.
No statement from the tapas nine has changed. No witness has been found to have lied, and police have proven that Jane tanner told the truth. Kate had already answered those 48 questions, and they were not designed to find Madeleine. They were designed to pin the case on Kate so that the search could be halted with Madeleine never being found.
As for the dogs, the final report states exactly why their alerts were not taken as evidence. The handler says they are guides only, and that forensic evidence must be found to back the alerts up. The alert sites were tested and nothing was found in those areas to indicate anything suspicious. In fact at one alert site only the Dna of Gerry McCann was found. The fact the dog had a poor record, and alerted to the coconut in jersey did not exactly help its credibility. And don't get sucked in by the claim he was right in 200 criminal cases, this is untrue. His handler said he had never alerted to food in 200 cases.
There is no evidence of strings being pulled by nameless people, that's comical.
There is no evidence that public donations were used to pay lawyers for the McCann's. Carter ruck worked on a conditional fee arrangement and only dealt with libel, nothing to do with the police investigation.
I would also like to remind you about a few legal issues about the march. You need permission to be granted. You cannot say anything about an ongoing investigation. You cannot make any claims that a reasonable person would infer something defamatory and untrue about another person, unless you can prove the inference. For instance in your above statement you would need to prove Kate and Gerry McCann were guilty of involvement and that the police had not interviewed key witnesses again. Putting a question mark, in my opinion, allegedly etc alongside it does not matter. You will also need to ensure it does not count as harassment I.e show that you are not targeting any individuals or those connected to them in such a way that they might feel distress or fear (anyone think the McCann's could feel safe near the march?).
You also have to accept that the media can report on you just as they did other sick stunts like the leaflet drop. So marchers can look forward to their face on the front page with "Maddie sicko" headlines.
Gerry never changed which door he used, nor whether the flat was lockwd. The files show that the PJ, translator and tapas nine were talking at crossed wires in regards to front and back doors. That's why they started referring to patio and car park doors instead. He never changed whether it was locked, again that came from the fact the front door had two locks, one automatic and one which needed a key. So you could leave the flat without locking it yourself but it would still be locked.
No one noticed a strong smell in the boot, and if you think the dogs are so good why would you think a body had been there since the cadaver dog failed to alert in it. And a rotting dead body is not a smell that can be got rid of quickly or easily. The insides of the car would have to be ripped out and anyone near it would be sick, and realize what it was. Does anyone actually think the McCann's carted a decomposing body around in front of police, and media and no one smelt a thing. Try putting a three week old body of a pig in your hot car for a few hours and see if anyone notices.
Ah "crossed wires" that explains it then. My bad. I see it now, I feel so stupid. IT WAS CROSSED WIRES BRITAIN, GO BACK TO SLEEP, ALL IS WELL WITH THE WORLD. THE ORACLE HAS SPOKEN. PRAISE BE TO TO MURATFAN, sorry but you got to admit, you are a funny man
I am not muratfan, and the PJ files explain the door confusion. The fact you admit you thought this was suspicious shows how little you know. But this march will not be given permission and if it goes ahead the marchers will face prosecution, civil action, and having their faces on the front pages with headlines like "Maddie sicko". And they can't say they weren't warned.
And once again you have no right to demand police tell you details of the investigation, nor to make claims or imply that they have not investigated all evidence, nor to tell them what to do.
And the media will certainly do a story on Gemma tupper if this goes ahead. She was the one suggesting it in the first place, nanny and owner of mobile creche Mary pop-ins in fareham ringleader of sick Maddie march which tormented missing tots tragic mum. Anyone else think the media will go with that angle?
Aw you're not muratfan. Sorry who are you, susan, john, trollhunter, photographer,who are you asking questions too dickhead, there's only me and you here. You sure it was gemma's idea. Check your facts my t shirt suntanned adversary
Well there are certainly screenshots of Gemma suggesting a protest and telling people she's glad she thought of it.
But if you think the march Will be granted permission, will not talk about an ongoing investigation, will not make statements considered libelous, and will not cause distress or fear to any individuals then you have nothing to worry about legally. And as you say you believe in free speech you will not have a problem with the media reporting it to the entire nation.
What exactly is your problem with people marching peacefully and asking that Madeleine gets justice? Don't you want her to have justice?
What exactly are YOU doing to help her? Protecting her parents from your armchair?
Ooooh way to go.
This is not a march about justice for Madeleine. The would be marchers have admitted they are going to spread lies including the ones on the Facebook page, and try to influence an ongoing investigation and public opinion. Their intention is to make people think there is no abductor and that is an injustice to Madeleine. This march is about a few stupid people with huge egos not Madeleine.
To give you an idea of these groups they think Gerry McCann dumped a fridge, that Kate washed curtains, that blood was found, that madeleine's DNA was found in car, and their newest one is that Madeleine is a triplet fathered by tanner and Murat!
You really are an utter Cockwomble! you make us people that really do believe the McCanns look stupid. Tell the truth about the other groups and stop lying. No one will believe what you write, which means no one will believe those of us that actually support the McCanns
Nice try anon 00.07, but you know full well this is the truth about these groups. Its up there on Facebook for everyone to see.
I dont see how they got doors mixed up one was locked the other wasent gm states he used key to enter then states he uses side door now y use a jey 4 that both have said it was never locked so y is he useing key to a unlocked door
Dont 4get the finger prints on shuters that kate say were never opened yet only her finger prints and gerry says he went out to see if it was possible to open shuters from out side if this was true were his finger prints??????
There was blood found behind sofa granted it is not 100%maddies but it was small samples taken it could have been hers no1 knows if it was or wasents
No they were not able to identify the material, it could have been a anything, from anyone, and from anytime before or after Madeleine disappeared (flat was relet before forensics carried out).
Only Kate's finger prints were identified, others were there but not possible to identify. Amarel does admit there were mistakes with the fingerprints. This was a holiday flat let to different people every week for years with cleaners and handy men going in, yet only three identifiable fingerprints found? An intruder could have worn gloves too. There were other break ins including the flat above and I don't think fingerprints were found there either.
There was no side door, so the fact there are files on the internet speaking about a side door raise questions about the accuracy of these sites, are they using the genuine files, are their translations correct etc? No one can know. But if you read the files that are there it is unclear what is coming from Gerry and what is coming from the officer as a note. The bit about the door requiring a key for instance does not come across as Gerry saying that but as an aside by the police who thought the back door was the car park door which required a key. There are also a couple of points to note. The files on the internet may not even be genuine. If they are they were taken in this way, PJ told interpreter the question in Portuguese, they translated this into English, Gerry then answered in English (a tired and upset gerry too), the interpreter then translates this to Portuguese for the pj who then writes it in their own words. This was then released to the public and translated by non professionals back into English. Is it surprising there is confusion.
The other issue is that if this was a planned cover up, don't you think they might have staged a break in, not got confused etc. Jeremy Wilkins saw Gerry by the steps to the patio, now Gerry had no reason to know Jeremy would be there then so he was not going to pretend to have left by the patio for Jeremy to see, and as the patio could not be locked from outside it means the patio door had to have been left unlocked.
But this is an ongoing investigation, the police have all the evidence not the public. Just let them do their job.
Let them do there job like savalle.dando.hillsbough ummmm just 3 of meny they covered up its funny how when it gets politicle there a cover up involved
Ah so the case is going to be cracked by internet detectives armed with 80% of the case files possibly incomplete, altered, added to and certainly badly translated, no ability to access phone records, private property, no ability to question witnesses etc.
Poor old Ben, or people who might possibly be Ben. They appear to be under the mistaken impression that all the people writing here to tell him he is a fool are the same person - muratfan.In fact two of the posts he responded to directly were mine. Not only am I not muratfan, I don't even like him very much so that's quite ironic :-)
Anon 22:36
Same here, he's responded to me thinking I'm muratfan.
I don't believe all these reply's are from ben thompson. I inboxed him last nite. He knows about the blog and told me he is laffin at you all. He said he's not wasting his time on faceless cowards, who hide behind false names.
Ian West ( blogger ) aka muratfan.
Would you please confirm or deny that you left the police force with a black cloud over your head with the other option being fired for what was found on YOUR memory stick ? Your not anonymous Ian there are plenty who actually know what was on that stick as you are fully aware.
Also >>> his wife ran off with a younger Polish guy as he was shit in the sack. #wifebeater
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